Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline for the 2007 Labour Party (UK) Leadership and Deputy Leadership Races and new Prime Minister

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (in some form). Whether this article stays as it is, renamed, or merged, does not require afd to decide. Please use the article's talk page to obtain consensus to do any of these. Petros471 19:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Timeline for the 2007 Labour Party (UK) Leadership and Deputy Leadership Races and new Prime Minister

Timeline for the 2007 Labour Party (UK) Leadership and Deputy Leadership Races and new Prime Minister (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

The article is a list of meaningless information. It provides no real meaningful encyclopedic information. This article is the same as creating an article such as Timeline for the 2012 United States Presidential Elections for the Republican Party and other Conservative Right Wing Parties. T_{Talk to me} 22:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It is a chronology of events relating to the Labour leadership and Deputy leadership campaigns relating to Tony Blair's original announcement that he was not going to stand as labour leader for a fourth term and through to the end of that term, it was originally part of the 2007 Labour leadership election article, but the size of that article was becoming too large and it also contains information that has since been removed from the Next United Kingdom general election article. It is linked to all three of those articles and so avoiding duplication of information. The information is no more meaningless than the rest of Wikipedia, it cites sources and is in the order of events. All that will happen if it is deleted is that those three articles will probably start to reincorporate that information seperately. There is also a difference with the US Presidential Elections in that the winner would still have to face a full US Election before they became President whereas the new Labour leader becomes leader in a situation in which the leader of the majority party by convention is made Prime Minister without a General Election on the resignation of the existing Prime Minister--Lord of the Isles 23:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep and Rename: I think it is a very interesting article. It is certainly useful in being specific: the topic of Tony Blair's fall as leader has been spectacularly drawn out and covered almost unceasingly over the past few years in the UK. It is very instructive and interesting to see this story in the form of a timeline, and I believe will be useful for people studying this matter in the future. So, all in all, though it is a ponderous title, it is a good article. Perhaps change the title to something a bit shorter? Perhaps rename it something like Timeline of Tony Blair's resignation as Prime Minister or Timeline of Tony Blair's resignation as leader of the Labour Party (my preferred title) - which is what it is really about, or Timeline of Labour Party (UK) leadership elections, 2007, to keep in common with the article it was split from. Clavecin 02:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Strong merge to Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2007. I understand the basic principle of splitting articles, obviously, but what is left at the parent article is not a lot. This information is highly encyclopaedic, important and relevant, and should be kept, but should be re-united with the information it belongs with. Furthermore, it should be de-timelined and the information put into prose sorted into sections by category, not chronologically. But under no circumstances should this article just be deleted, it contains some of the most important information in Britain right now. Jdcooper 02:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect with slight merge to Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2007 per Jdcooper. The information needs to be de-timelined and synthesized; there are going to be articles in the British press about this subject every day for the next month and a half, but adding each day's information in this format doesn't constitute encyclopedic format. --Metropolitan90 03:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment if kept, rename to Timeline of Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2007. The current title is a tad ridiculous. I would probably !vote to merge/keep this article, but cut it down. A lot of trivial events do not need to be mentioned. Resolute 04:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and rename as recommended by Resolute. The analogy drawn in the proposal is fallacious - the leadership of UK political parties is not at all parallel to either leadership or presidential candidacy in the US system. Additionally, the nearest comparable US process is the primaries for the 2008 election, not the 2012 one. The election in which the new party leader will compete cannot happen later than mid-2010, and moreover, the new party leader is virtually certain to become the UK's head of government immediately. AlexTiefling 11:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Merge main events to the Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2007 article, and get rid of a lot of the irrelevant info here (e.g. Start of Financial Year, Charles Clarke endorsed for the Labour leadership by the Beard Liberation Front etc.). - fchd 16:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and rename - when I created it out of the leadership article I had wondered about the name somewhat, but it seemed silly to have one just for the leadership election, as the Deputy Leadership Election was running parallel and inter-related, and had only been raised as an issue because Tony Blair was going, in addition because Labour is the majority party and Tony Blair was the Prime Minister and his successor was almost certainly going to be the new Labour leader it seemed bound up with the issue of Prime Minister. I suggest that it be renamed to Timeline of Labour Party (UK) leadership elections and new Prime Minister, 2007, for one thing there is obviously going to be a lot of news in relation to the Labour Deputy leadership because of the number of candidates and likelihood of discussions between announced candidates to narrow down this number to 3 or 4 and then the probability that the final result will be decided on preference votes.--Lord of the Isles 17:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, wanting to delete an article because the name is longwinded is stupid. --Philip Stevens 19:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, that is not why the deletion is being proposed. Jdcooper 03:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    • No, but that's what everyone's picking up on. --Philip Stevens 05:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: the name is ludicrously long, but that's not itself a valid reason for deletion. --RFBailey 07:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and merge This article is very interesting and will be even more so in the future as a part of history. If it can be merged/have a new name, even better. Dewarw 21:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and rename - for the reasons outlined by others above e.g. Lord of the Isles. Agree with Clavecin's suggestion: Timeline of Labour Party (UK) leadership elections, 2007. Tom 11:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep and rename - for a relevant comparison, see Liberal Democrats leadership election, 2006 where the timeline was starting to dwarf a fairly significant (and subsequently featured) article and so needed to be hived off into Timeline of events in the Liberal Democrats leadership election, 2006. Timrollpickering 21:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.